Summary
Hey Everyone, and welcome back to the podcast! In today’s episode, Podcaster, Author, and Psychotherapist/Psychoastrologer Lisa Tahir share her journey and insight about connecting astrology and psychotherapy. The topics Lisa and I cover to start from her trip to discussing the Chiron in each of our charts. We also get into relationships and how we can connect astrology to help understand ourselves.
You can check out Lisa’s book and all her work by clicking on the links below! Also, to all of the lovely listeners, if you are interested in booking a session with Lisa, you can get your first session half off by mentioning the podcast!
Like always, guys, please like, rate, and subscribe to the podcast. Your ratings will help boost the podcast overall!
Lisa’s Book: The Chiron Effect
https://www.nolatherapy.com/ — This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app — Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/yourspiritualbestfriend/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/yourspiritualbestfriend/support
Transcription
Hey, everybody, and welcome back to the podcast. Today’s episode talks about the story of Lisa Tahir. Lisa is a licensed clinical social worker and has had a passion for helping people ever since she was five years old. The topic that we’re going to cover in our podcast today range from psycho, astrology to spirituality, emotional help, and even relationships. You can check out all of Lisa’s work as she’s a host of a podcast and also a creator of the book titled The Kyron Effect, which connects astrology and psychology to really help understand our deep rooted trauma. You can check out all of Lisa’s work by clicking on the links in the show description. And to all my listeners, if you guys want to work with Lisa, you guys can get half off your first session. All you have to do is mention the podcast, your Spiritual Best Friend to Lisa. But without further ado, here is my podcast with Lisa. 2s Hey, everybody, and welcome to Your Spiritual Best Friend. I am your host, Josh Sanchez, and I’m here with a very special guest. Lisa, how are you doing today? And what’s going on, Josh? I’m doing awesome because I’m starting my day with you on your show, your Spiritual Best Friend. Thank you for having me. Of course. And just like I said before, we record. And so thank you for reaching out and wanting to be a guest on this podcast. And that leads me right to my first question. Lisa, so for you, I know when it comes to I’ve been doing a lot of research on the work you doing stuff you do a lot of work. Where did that passion for psychoastrology and all that stuff really stem from for you? Thank you, Josh. I believe it stems from ever since I was young, I’ve been just so curious about everything and interested and just like, love going down rabbit holes of different topics that interest me and. 2s I knew I wanted to be a therapist of some sort ever since I was five. And my parents found a note I had scribbled that said, I want to be a psychiatrist. And in some ways, that’s, like, kind of cute and funny, but in another way, it’s a little concerning. Why would a five year old want to be a psychiatrist or even know about that? And I knew it related to I grew up in a family where there was a lot of dysfunction, and though I didn’t know that was the case, being so young, just certain things didn’t feel good. And I grew up they were definitely wonderful happy moments, but they were also really challenging ones that challenged my emotions and just my kind of development. And I started therapy as a young person at 21, and when I went into therapy, I knew, this is what I want to do with my life, is help other people make sense of their experiences. Because your inner guidance system, your emotions tell you when something’s wrong, even if adults around you are saying it’s right. And there’s one thing I wish I would have known younger is, like to trust that inner guidance system, regardless of what other people are saying with their words. Because often people who aren’t in alignment, they might act one way and say another thing, but you can always perceive and pick up on that, regardless of how young you are. And that really drove my journey into the healing arts and wanting to help myself and others to grow and change and transform. 2s Wow. Lisa and I will say from someone that is also experienced a lot of, like, family trauma and growing up in a very stressful environment, i, too, also have a very similar journey and a similar passion as well to help people. I’m currently just to share a little bit, I’m currently in graduate school trying to become a mental health counselor. So to hear your insight and stuff, even from a young age, like you said, we all have that inner voice or that intuition, that feeling that’s telling us, hey, something is going on here. Despite what our parents are telling us or our caretakers are telling us, we know deep down that there’s something going on. And like you said, Lisa, it’s definitely especially being young, like, we listen to our adults, we kind of push them aside, but we should really tap into that feeling. And that just leaves me right to my next question. Lisa, I know growing up and stuff, I know you grew up in a very just stressful environment and stuff. Why do you think I know you mentioned a little bit on your lasts answer, but, like, why do you really think, like, as children, we kind of push that feeling aside? 2s First of all, I want to say I think it’s awesome you’re in graduate school. Congratulations on you being a mental health professional and counselor. It’s like, awesome. So I’m excited you’re doing that for yourself, too. 1s Thank you. Thank you. You’re welcome. And why I think we push that inner knowing aside because we’re young and we don’t have the power that we do as an adult and we do depend on our caretakers to guide us. And I think in every child, it’s like an innate trust of the adults around us that they are given to take care of us and lead us and protect us. And for some people, that happens really seamlessly and really well. And I think it’s wonderful that they are. And I think nowadays, more conscious parents, more aware parents, that because of what they grew up with, they want to do it differently than, you know, other parents. And so, yes to you who are reaching out and going to therapy, and there’s so much available now, more easily, I think, than in years past. And I think it’s just centered in children trust, those who are older around. And it’s scary when you’re young and you know something’s wrong and who do you turn to? So there might not be a lot of options. So definitely a teacher to speak out to. 1s Kids are also so resilient that children have a deep capacity to heal and change, I think, even more quickly. That’s what resilience is, to bounce back than even older people. So does that answer the question? Yeah, definitely. Lisa, it’s spot on. As I was just hearing your answer, I was just like, nodding in agreement because I was just like, yeah, it definitely makes sense. I really like your term resiliency as well. And for children that do experience a lot of just like, intense and stressful environments growing up, they do have more of the capability to be resilient, which is to bounce back and to overcome adversity and to understand where you’re coming from to really grow as a person and take that next step. There’s a lot of resilience stories that we hear a lot of and stuff. So as I was hearing your answer, Lisa, I was like, yeah, this definitely makes a lot of sense. But just continuing our conversation, sticking to the mental health field and stuff. You’ve been in the mental health industry for quite some time now. How have you seen it evolve since the time you started to where you are now? 1s Oh, that’s a great question, Josh. I’ve been in the mental health field since 1996, when I started graduate school to get my Masters in Social Work. And here we are in 2022, and what I’ve seen is a real 1s awesome, just incorporation of more spirituality, of more mindfulness based practices of meditation and really how tapping into what we believe about the things we can’t see or feel, but guide and direct our lives, which is what I consider to be aspects of spirituality. Like, what do you believe? And I’ve started to ask clients, you know, and I did it when I was younger, but there wasn’t a lot of others encouraging that, hey, what do you believe about God? And sometimes a client would kind of look at me like, I didn’t expect that. And I’m like, however you define whatever is greater than you. Like, do you believe something’s greater than you? And, you know, oftentimes people didn’t, especially when bad things have happened to them. Like, it really affected their belief in a loving being. A loving. 1s Presence to guide them. Because if that was so, why did all these bad things happen? I think that’s been the age old question, you know, and to me it’s the reconciliation in that is that there is a loving presence, but it’s people, people that choose to connect to that presence or not. And unfortunately, some caretakers choose not to be in touch with their own healing and that loving presence and guidance and that wounded people wound others. And that’s where abuse and trauma comes from. Wounded people who aren’t getting the aid and assistance and help and treatment they need. So they just do the same things inflict the same kinds of pain. And that’s who’s ended up in my office a lot of the time. And so besides reworking how to trust yourself, how to trust others, how to also believe in a presence that is loving available to you, to really open up your spirituality and develop it for the first time, or go back to what you believed was true at a younger age, and I also believe meditation is a powerful tool to find inner peace and every morning to align with that. I’ll just pause there, Josh, and see, what are you thinking about this? Oh yeah, Lisa, as I was really thinking, I just wanted to ask, you said a really powerful quote and I definitely think that’s going to be the quote of the podcast. Like you said, wounded people wound others. And I know for you, like being in the mental health field and also power to you for going to grad school, I know it’s definitely a lot of work. So power to you for also getting into this profession as well. But yes, at least once I heard that statement, I was like, yeah, that’s something that really hit home. Wounded people really do wound others. And I know for you, like, you’ve had a lot of experience working with people and trying to help them refine themselves and regain themselves. And that just leaves me right to my next question. I was really thinking about what’s the advice or what’s the first steps? So let’s say you are a wounded person that has some like, obviously we all need to find our spiritual selves and we really need to find ourselves. What’s the first steps for them to take to really help them grow and grow as a person and really understand themselves? 2s I think the first step is what you were just saying is the recognition that, hey, like, I have some work to do on myself, like I have some areas to clean up, to learn, to grow in. I know when I was 20, I just knew coming out of the family that I came out of, I didn’t have all of the skills, you know, to be the most healthy adult. And I didn’t want to repeat some of the patterns 1s in my family that I experienced. And so I started therapy to learn, really how to love and care about myself more. Because when you do that, you’re going to have a greater capacity to love and care for others. And it’s through taking personal responsibility. Once you realize 2s there’s some shit here that needs to be cleared and cleaned up, it’s my responsibility to do it. And so for me, personal responsibility is really a big thing. I talk about it in my book that you mentioned, the Chiron effect, healing our core wounds through astrology, empathy and self forgiveness, that those are things you’ve experienced, especially the bad things, the traumatic things, the things around abuse and such weren’t your fault. It is still your responsibility to address those issues, those experience, those wounds, those vulnerabilities, and to heal. And I believe it’s through having self empathy and compassion for what you didn’t know at the time, for instance, and getting those skills and such now. And it’s a process. I’ve been in and out of therapy for over 25 years. And so it might not be that for everyone, but for me, as a mental health professional, it’s been important to be in my own process, because when you work with the pain of others, it’s important to have an outlet to go speak about those things and work through what clients might bring up for you, for me, that’s been just really important to have integrity and beyond that healing journey and such like that. But for anyone listening who was on the edge of the spectrum, because one is more on the side where you’ve been victimized and experienced trauma, and the other end of the spectrum is you’re the perpetrator of those traumas. And I think the past looks similar to the work is different and the recognition of the things that need to be healed within you and then having the courage to reach out to a professional and start that journey.
I know you mentioned in your previous answer about your Bill book. I know every book. I love authors that come on this podcast because I know every book has a story behind it or like a passion behind it. What led you to create your book? The Chiron Effect? Sure. Josh I felt like it was just the next step. I had always wanted to write a book, and there’s so many notes that I had scribbled down about all kinds of topics. But somehow this Chiron thing, chiron came up for me in meditation about at this point now, it was maybe six years ago, and I kind of heard that in meditation and didn’t really know what that was about. And I started googling Chiron and honestly wasn’t very impressed. Like, it talked about Chiron being both a minor planet and a comet in the solar system discovered by astronomy, it has an odd elliptical orbit, which made it noteworthy in astronomy, orbiting between the planets of Saturn and Uranus. I was like, Okay, cool. And then in Greek mythology, Chiron is the founding father of the healing arts. He was a centaur, half man, half horse, and he was shot by an arrow meant for Hercules and was put in touch with the pain of human frailty being in a body and beg Zeus to trade his life for immortality. And I was like, Okay, cool story. And then in astrology, it talks about Chiron being a planet, just like, you know, you might know your sun sign, you might know your rising sign, you might know your moon. Chiron is also like that. There’s a sign in Chiron like Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Scorpio, based on your. 1s Day of birth and your date of birth and your time of birth. And so I started to do a little research into that just as the universe might kind of prod you into a direction and kind of like keep bringing it up in different ways over and over and over again until you finally get it and start to act on that inspiration, act on what’s being shown to you. And it led me to write my book over two and a half, three years, incorporating astrology as the diagnostic point to find out based on your date of birth where chiron is in your chart and then based upon principles of psychology, spirituality and that taking responsibility piece what that means for you. And chiron reveals a meaning in every sign. For instance, if your chiron is in Aries, it reveals an area of vulnerability up to and including a core wounding and your sense of your value and worth. And that plays out like you might be successful outwardly people might think you’re just a bomb, like you have it all together and in so many ways you actually do. But inside of yourself, privately, your self esteem, you feel like you’re never good enough and so you’re on this wheel of performance you have to keep achieving. And you see this with a lot of CEOs that end up killing themselves that like they are rich, they have everything you think that would make a person happy in life, but inside they’re not. And it’s because it’s about developing the ability to value yourself, your own worthiness, which isn’t based on your performance, it’s just based on who you are and how loved you are in that spiritual sense. And again, Kyron and Taurus reflects a core wounding or vulnerability by neglect. This is where you might have experienced sexual abuse or trauma in your past and so on, like chiron. And the signs reveal an area of vulnerability or wounding that you’ve experienced. And I give practical takeaway steps that you can start using to heal as well as affirmations and it’s kind of like a selfhelp. I walk you through some of what I experienced and have healed from in my life. There’s journal prompts so it’s a real good starting place to get you in that process and get into your awareness, what area you might need to focus your healing on 1s to just become happier in your life. 2s Wow. Lisa and as I was hearing your answer, I was like, man, I want to know what my Kyron sign is because I know when it comes to astrology, because I do like to connect a little astrology aspect into the podcast as well. And I usually just have guests. It’s like we’ll just talk about what’s your sun sign and stuff, but I definitely think it’s really cool when it comes to this chiron effect. And like, this chiron part of your charts. Like you said, it’s that power of self worth. But my next question, just like, when it comes to how can we find our own chiron parts in our chart? Sure. 1s Well, in my book, there’s both a chart and there’s an interactive website where you can enter your date of birth and your place of birth. If you have your time of birth, you can put that in, but it’s not necessary to generate your chiron placement. Your time of birth gives you the house that Kyron is in, the one of twelve astrological houses which reveals the area of your life that this vulnerability or wounding manifests. Meaning? Like, is it in the workplace versus in your intimate relationships, or is it in your self esteem? But once you know your chiron sign, you’ll just know where it is that this is presented in your life. Like, that won’t be a mystery. Josh I’ll see if I can find it quickly. What is your month and year of birth? 2s Oh, yeah, I’m down for this is cool. But yes, my month I was born in May. OK. My birthday is May 15, and then my year was 1998. Okay, let me see if you want to just talk about something. I have to look at this part of my book. 1s No, it’s all good. This is great. I really think, Lisa, again, like, you really bring a lot of great insight into this. And it’s really cool to connect with somebody else that is also into, obviously, the mental health field, but also into that astrology aspect too. And the fact that you have a whole book created about all this stuff is great. And it’s really cool to hear. As you’re describing, I was like, Wow, this is really cool. I’m really fascinated by this. A credit to you, again, for doing that. 3s It’s showing here that your chiron would be in the sign of scorpio, which has to do with the core wounding or vulnerability in the experience. 2s Expression of power, meaning that 1s you might have been bullied as a younger person, as a child or by a sibling, you know, experience power being 1s versus aligned power. And I know you spoke about some trauma in your background, so that would definitely be a misuse of power by caretakers in your life who are supposed to say protect 2s versus hurt you. And the key to healing this pattern is in progressively trusting your ability to be vulnerable and feel safe, because sometimes that might have felt scary for you to be vulnerable, to really let your inner self show for fear of being rejected or hurt by others. Is any of this feeling true to you? Oh, yeah, definitely. 2s My last podcast, actually. It’s actually crazy, Lisa, how the universe works sometimes. But in my last podcast, I talked about really the power of self reflection. And for me, I recognize during times of high stress and stuff, I do tend to very, like, suppress everything. I’ll isolate myself. It’s that vulnerability part. It’s that fear of being vulnerable, and then obviously the person taking that vulnerability to a negative way or a positive fear of that. So for me, when I’m very stressed or a lot of stuff’s going on, I tend to self isolate myself and really keep it within myself. So as I was hearing you described that, I was like, yeah, it’s that fear of being vulnerable. I can definitely relate to that. So I think it’s spot on. I had a feeling it was going to be, but even now it’s like another level. I’m like dad. And I think for you, it’s really about because it’s like that little one inside of you, that younger self that is fearful of. If you’re vulnerable when I’m overwhelmed and stressed versus, like even if you identify one trusted person in your life and ask them, hey, I usually isolate when I’m overwhelmed and stressed, would it be okay if I come to you to start practicing how to be a bit more open? Because that’s really what your inner self wants, is to be able to be open and seen and heard in that place of being stressed and overwhelmed and have it be safe. So maybe you can consider 1s identifying someone in your lifetime, practice that with. 2s Yeah, definitely. And I definitely think that’s something that I have, especially recently, I have, like, open up to do that. And I will say, yeah, I have been feeling a lot better when it comes to that, Lisa, and it’s really crazy. It’s crazy how accurate astrology in general is. But even like this aspect of it, the chiron, that’s really cool if you’re willing to share with yourself what is your own chiron as well. Sure. My chiron is in the sign of Aries, which speaks to that vulnerability and wounding in one sense of value and worth. And that really struck a chord with me because I’ve been that person believing that it’s through achievement that I’m going to feel worthy, I’m going to feel enough. And also this placement has to do with overcoming performance based love. And I grew up in a family where it’s like versus love being freely given. You had to do a lot of shit to get it. And so it establishes pattern within me of kind of overworking or not kind of definitely overworking, over giving over everything to the point of exhaustion to try to source some love, try to source some approval. And I realize now it’s just because my parents didn’t know how to do that for themselves, so how could they do that for me if they never felt good enough, they never felt worthy or loved? And so now I can just kind of let it all be like writing a book was something really important to me and I’m so glad that I’ve done it. I’m sure at some point there’ll be another book, but I don’t feel rushed to do it. And the old me would have felt like, oh my gosh, you need to start writing your second book for that again, that achievement based gratification or praise. And instead it’s like, I just want to really work out the one that I wrote and do interviews like this and just really enjoy what I’ve created. And so that’s key and healing the chiron in Aries is really enjoy what you’ve already created and 1s languish in it and just have more peace and fun and freedom and just like, I’m good enough as I am. 2s I want to first say thank you for being open to share. I know, like, when it comes to this particular parts in our chart, like deep wounded healing for a lot of people, it can be very it can be a challenge to really open up for that. So I just want to say firstly, thank you. Thank you, Lisa, for being so open and to share your own story and whatever you and all the stuff that you experience within yourself. Because it’s important for us to open up and be vulnerable as well, so that way we can have really great conversations like these as well. So I just want to say again, power to you, Lisa, for being able to open up and share. I appreciate that. 2s You’re welcome. Josh and I talk in my book about it’s really about being like a witness to the people you’re close to, a witness to their experience and then them witnessing you in not only just the good, but even the hard and challenging moments. It’s like it gives permission to share what you’ve overcome or what you’re working to overcome or what you still don’t understand and like to just model authenticity. And I think it helps everybody just kind of feel like they can really be themselves, which is what we all most deeply want. Yes, indeed. We all want to really be like our real, 1s just happy selves at the end of the day, I know there’s just to add to our conversation. I feel like as we get older, I’ve realized this through just talking to my friends and also doing podcasts with a lot of people. I definitely feel like because of work and the pressures that we have, especially in the United States, because our society values so much on productivity and material things that we tend to lose, like our inner child, things that make us happy. I just realized as we get older, we do lose that and it’s important for us to regain what is making us happy. So I just wanted to highlight that as well because I was like, wow, this is really cool. 2s Yes, totally all about that, I think every day, and if not every day, every week, to do something that feels like play to you, even if it’s like just take a walk around your neighborhood or in a local park, like to let yourself or go get an ice cream or do something that puts you in touch with that younger inner child that part of you that if you look at a child, if you look at a kitten or a puppy, they’re just all about pleasure and play and to let yourself do that in whatever way that’s you would really like, and it’s going to help your life, it’s going to help you be more productive to allow that play.
Relationships, they are important. Like, we learn a lot through the peers that we interact with, and we all feed off of each other’s energy. And this leads me right to my first question. So for you, Lisa, what are some qualities that you really look for in your front and a friendship and even a romantic partner? Sure, it would definitely 1s be like kindness. Most basically just you can kind of tell when you meet a person and you start spending some time with them, where’s their heart at, like, where’s their heart centered? And do they have an open heart, a closed heart, or whatever degree on that spectrum? Because I think at times we’ve all closed our hearts a bit, depending on what’s happened, but are they able to open it again? And I think I allow just my innate inner guidance system. Like, you’re drawn to people, you want to be close to them, and other people, you feel kind of like 1s a bit of distance. You might even feel repelled, like a magnet, so to speak. And so I kind of let that sense that I have, like, draw me to people and also push me away from people. And it’s wonderful when the other person is on the same vibe as you, because it really is about vibration, and you attract each other, be it friendship or romantically. And then it can be a little ouch when you’re drawn to someone and they’re not drawn to you or vice versa. In those situations, I practice in meditation, just sending love to that person, sending love to the situation, because it could be some things that just need to be worked out within them or you and you reconnect at another time. So I think just trust when you feel drawn to someone, explore it, and if you feel not drawn to someone or pushed away, to really honor that as well. Yeah, it’s sort of just like as I was hearing your answer, Lisa, just trusting that intuition, that inner feeling that you have with yourself, like, hey, is this person this energy, this person bringing, is this something that I’m vibing with? Is this something that I’m not vibing with? So really, just trusting yourself and your intuition. I was hearing that. I just wanted to highlight that, but just continuing. Lisa, I know being in the mental field, I know you’ve worked with a lot of people, and I definitely think a lot of clients have definitely probably mentioned a lot of relationship troubles. And this leads right to my next question. Why do you think a lot of relationships tend to fail or tend to just, like, drift apart? What do you think is, like, one of the root causes towards that? 1s You know, I think that we’re such complex beings individually and then you pair that with another complex being and you know, some things naturally go well and others like kind of butt up against each other and have some friction there in like a sense that feels negative or is negative. And I think it’s in how you handle those areas and topics that don’t work so well to be able to speak about them and be heard and then just listen. And defensiveness, I think, can be something that blocks intimacy that depending on how someone approaches you with something, first of all, could cause you to get defensive on the spot and 5s put like a wall up and it becomes hard then to really meet there. And so encouraging communication that can be like, hey, I have an issue with something, I’d like to talk about it. Is this a good time? If not when? And to be as honest as you can and try to be open in the presence of that person speaking their truth. And it might take a minute. It might be like, hey, I need to think about this and get back with you about it, because I am feeling defensive, I am feeling judged. I’m feeling like you’re totally not getting me and you might want to come back to it, or it might be in the moment. Hey, yes, some of that fits for me here’s. What that’s about? I’m sorry. Or no, that doesn’t. And cause usually things that are issues or combination of both people, like you might be triggered because you had a caretaker that for instance never really. 2s Saw you or heard you, and you feel frustrated. So when your partner is, like, not seeing the good things you’re doing, what you’re contributing, you might feel that same sense of being unseen. So I think to try to have compassion, you know, I read it right in my book as well, that knowing each other’s chiron placement can help because that’s where these patterns are sourced from. And if you can know your partner’s chiron is sourced in this pattern of, say, being neglected, then you can know that the issues you’re going to have my source around neglect and how can you better address that with each other? So I think it’s really being open and like a student of each other, like, really wanting to learn each other and how you tick with some compassion and trying to see each other as allies and friends versus the enemy, that that can help kind of just smooth out. So it’s not a battlefield. It’s more of, like this container of growth and change, because in relationships, we can grow so much and become more of who we came here to be. What do you think about this topic, Josh? 1s Lisa, just adding to the conversation, I definitely think a lot of the reason why a lot of relationships fail somewhere to how like, you feel like it comes down to like are we doing enough internal work within ourselves before we even are going going into the relationship too, because sometimes we project things and project what we are experiencing on to our partners as well. So it’s just like, are we doing that inner work and 1s are we doing that or are we projecting that onto our partner? I think that’s an important question that we need to ask ourselves in our relationship. So yeah, just to add, that’s the only point I really wanted to add because I think everything else Lisa, you said has been really spot on. And 1s it’s important because we’re all human, we all have relationships, whether that’s with friends, whether that’s with family, whether that’s with loved ones. And it’s important for us to have conversations like these, so that way we’re able to find solutions. So that way we’re more mindful of our partners and mindful of ourselves. So that way we’re able to have healthy relationships and we’re not just continuing the same generational cycle that our parents did, that our grandparents did, that our great grandparents did. Because I definitely think generational trauma is a whole other term that gets manifested in many different ways. But yeah, I think your answer was spot on, Lisa. Definitely. I like where you bring in relationships being I think relationships are everything. When you go to the grocery, you’re having a relationship with the person checking you out and in business with your clients, with your coworkers, with your supervisors, everything is a relationship. And when you decide within yourself, kind of that tone, that vibrational tone you want to have in your relationships that I want to be understanding, I want to be authentic, I want to be kind, that that can set the tone for everything and everyone. So you’re not like at the mercy of everyone else’s mood. You set the mood for yourself and your relationships. And when you enter a situation where someone’s in a different vibration and that mood, you can excuse yourself usually or go spend time with someone else, do something else to kind of not be again in situations that can even become toxic because you’re trying to convince someone of something or battle it out to just kind of look for the path of most allowance and most ease as you go through your day in your relationships. 1s Yes, I completely agree. Like, again, everybody that we surround ourselves with, again, like, we feed off of each other’s energy. So, like you said, if we are if we are, like, displaying negative energy and stuff, it just stresses out more of our own owned day, whether that’s at the grocery store, whether that is because all it takes is for you to lash back out at somebody, an employee at a restaurant, and then they lash back out at you. Now your day, just like you said, Lisa, just got more stressful than it needed to be. Totally. It’s important at the end of the day for us to just to wrap everything up, to really just, like, do that inner work and really help ourselves and understand ourselves. And I definitely think through your book and through other resources that you have displayed on this podcast, we can do that. And we’re just going to transition a little bit because I know we talked about relationships and your journey and all that fun stuff. I do really like to wrap everything up when it comes to the podcast. I do like to talk about astrology a little bit. I know for you the fact that you’ve written a whole book and you’ve tied Astrology to it. What’s your overall relationship with Astrology and where did it really start for you when it comes to your relationship with astrology? 1s Sure I’m a psychotherapist, not an astrologer. So I’m bringing astrology into the book, into the conversation from a psychological perspective. It’s such a complex symbolic language and I even have a resource section in the back of my book directing you to some astrologers that I really think are awesome since that’s not my area of expertise. I do understand and know about chiron as far as chiron is such a psychological placement in your chart having to do with vulnerability and wounding and healing and how that can be the missing piece for you to really be like AHA, this is the one area to beef up, to fortify, to strengthen myself in that your patterns source from that you haven’t really desired to see in your life and by shifting that, it can be more of everything you desire. So I use astrology as a diagnostic tool in my book from the perspective of chiron. And again, I think it’s such a beautiful symbolic language and in another life I would have spent time in astrology school and astrologer school and learn more because it’s like these symbolic synergies between planets and the snapshot of the solar system when you were born. It’s like a beautiful blueprint in paradigm. 1s Yeah, I completely agree. Lisa, again, 1s as I was studying more about psychology, astrology started to get the universe was starting to throw me more hints at astrology and I really wanted to really take a deep dive into that. And I completely agree. I love that visualization. It’s like when we’re born, this is how the solar system was aligned and here’s a snapshot of it. And I definitely think that’s a really cool way to visualize when it comes to our own astrology charts, our own natal charts and stuff. And just like you said, it’s a very beautiful thing. And I definitely think in a past lifetime I definitely wasn’t, like you said, similar to you in astrology school and learning about it because I definitely wish there was more resources in this lifetime because I definitely would have taken even on a deeper level. But, yeah, I think your answer has been really great and spot on and everything that you brought to the table in terms of adding the chiron into the discussion and really helping us understand ourselves, it’s important. But to wrap everything up, I have all my guests that come on. This is where I usually google like, your astrology chart a little bit. There’s a website called the Horoscope co it’s a cool little website where all I do is I take your son and Moonsign and these people, they do little readings based off of that. 1s So as I give you your reading, Lisa, just let me know how you feel. So for you, you are a Gemini Sun with an Aries Moon. And it says, it says an Admirable personality quickwitted the Gemini Sun aries Moon personality masters communication and uses perception to naturally problem solve and showcase originality and effectiveness. Positives for your sun and Moon combination. Very insightful and open minded. Negatives. Can get distracted at times and can forget things at times. Perfect partner. Someone who is gentle but also firm with them. And then word of advice for your sun and Moon combination, they need to learn to tone down their impulses and not rush into things. So as I give you your positives negatives, perfect partner and advice, what are some thoughts that come to mind? 1s No, I think that’s great. I think all that resonates, for sure. I know I’ve worked on the forgetfulness. Like, I keep good notes and there’s little tricks you can do to stay on task. I know I utilize little sticky notes and reminders, and so I feel like I’ve grown in that area for sure to make sure I don’t miss things. And like, I cross t’s and dot is definitely the impulsivity. It’s something that I’ve learned to also channel that I do have an immediate yes or no to things, and I’ve learned to just hold off a little bit with my yes and allow some time to unfold or not and just learning how to yeah, so I think it’s spot on. Thank you. Yeah, of course. If you want, I can send you a link once we’re done recording and you can let them deep read and stuff, but it’s really cool at the end of the day, again, I really like astrology and all that fun stuff. But Lisa, I’ve really enjoyed our conversation. I know you do a lot of work. I know you also do a podcast. I know you’ve written a book that we talked about where can everybody check out your work? 1s That’s awesome. Josh, the number one place is through my website, which is nolawtherapy.com, it stands for New Orleans, Los Angelestherapy.com, nola Therapy.com. And I’m also nola therapy on Instagram and Facebook and on YouTube. And I’d love to connect with your audience and even offer them half off a session if they’re a first time client to do a remote session for therapy. And they just need to mention you or your podcast. Oh, that’s awesome. And Lisa, I’ll make sure to put all the links in the show description, and I also will put that note in as well, so that’s really cool as well. So, listeners, you get half off your first session, so that’s great. Thank you. Josh, you’re awesome and very insightful, of course. And Lisa, I want to say again, thank you for a wonderful conversation and please stay safe. You too. Your clients are going to be lucky to have you.
Your Spiritual Best Friend 