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Hey everyone, and welcome back to the podcast! Today’s episode talks about the story of Meagan O’Nan. Meagan shares her journey from growing up in a catholic old school household and her struggles being part of the LGBTQ+ community and opening up about that in her environment. Meagan also talks about the secrets of writing her books and being a vulnerable storyteller. You can check out all of Meagan’s books and videos by clicking on her links below!
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Hey, everybody, and welcome to your spiritual best friend. I am your host, Josh Sanchez, and I’m here with a very special guest, Megan. Megan, what’s going on and what are you doing today? Thanks for having me. Well, I just filled out a NATO chart report for you, and I’m really interested to see where that’s going to take us. So, yeah, just excited to have a conversation today. 1s Of course. And I will say again, Megan, thank you for being patient and filling out the Natal charts and stuff for our podcast listeners. I always have my guests fill out their Natal charts. That way we can discuss astrology a little bit at the end. But the website is Cafe Astrology, so if you guys are ever interested to learn more about your chart and stuff, it’s all fun and it’s free, so it’s perfect. I just want to give a little shout out before we really get into it. But Megan, I wanted to say again, thank you for coming on, reaching out, wanting to be on this podcast and pretty much when it comes to this podcast overall, I really like to start to guess with just a simple question. So when it comes to work and passions and stuff like that, what do you like to do for work and what are you really passionate about? Oh, that’s a great question. It’s a good way to get to know someone, too. 2s I’ve been a writer and speaker and coach for 14 years now. I’m. 1s In the middle of finishing up my third book and kind of deep in the revision process. So I’m really passionate about writing, and I’m also a speech coach, so I work with professional speakers and write scripts, get them ready for the stage, do all the aspects of speaker coaching, and then also do keynote speaking of my own. So my books and my speaking are kind of the same message around the message of the power of vulnerable storytelling and how that plays such an important role in connecting with others. So those are storytelling, vulnerable storytelling, writing, speaking, those are my passions. They’re my profession. It’s what I do each and every day, and I feel very fortunate to get to do each one of those 2s well, Megan, I will say 1s I really like what you’re doing. It’s definitely great and it definitely can be powerful. I know you mentioned a lot about vulnerable speaking and stuff and being able to share and open up your own story and how that’s able to connect others and bring others together. I definitely think that’s a really good and I think more people need to do that because we’re human at the end of the day and we’re able to connect with each other if we’re able to open up each other. And that just leads me right to my next question. So I know you mentioned like, you’ve written a couple of books. You’re on your third book. Now tell me the thought process, because I know each book. 1s Has, like, a vision or has, like, a story behind it. So if you can tell me, like, what really goes through your head when you are writing the books, like between the first, second and third one. Oh, gosh. Well, the first one was in 2008, and it was called Creating Your Heaven on Earth. And I was actually in a really bad relationship when I wrote that book. So I feel like it was like my calling out to God, the universe, whatever you want to call it. I wanted happiness so bad that I was writing about what I wanted. And eventually it got me out of that relationship. So that was really more of a deep belief in what I knew was true and like a calling out and trying to call it into my life. So that was the first one. The next one was called Courage. Agreeing to disagree is not enough. And I think that might be more applicable now with the time we’re in. But at the time, it was around when LGBTQ marriage rights, gay marriage rights, that was the hot topic, the discussion. It was the year that I got married, and I was just really tired of the 1s back and forth, the debating the you’re right, I’m wrong, you’re wrong, I’m right, whatever. I was really sick of that back and forth. And so that was more of a calling out, too. Like, I don’t want to be in this space. This is who I want to be. And so I wrote it from this place of not only sharing my story and telling my story of coming out in Mississippi, but also as an invitation to others. Like, hey, we can have a conversation and not argue about the things that we might disagree on, but we can get to know each other still as human beings. And so that was a calling out as well. So this one, the one I’m writing now is called Held and Free, and it’s a memoir, and it’s really based around the power storage sell, Helen, like I was talking about earlier. And so for me, this is just an opportunity to share every single part of my story up until now and how I’ve evolved from this very insecure person in the world who wanted wholeness and happiness and all of the things it took to get to a place where I feel like I have a really strong foundation as a human being now. And so this is more or less kind of a letting go. For me, this book is just an opportunity to write it all down and own it and just keep moving forward. So each has had its own special moment for me, and it’s interesting. They’ve all been written. It seems like I write a book every seven years. So. 4s That’s really cool, Megan. And I will say because I always like to ask that question, especially with writers, because there’s definitely like a vision. There’s something that’s like inspiring you to write down these thoughts and write down like stories so that way people can read it and learn something new. And I can only imagine for you growing up in Mississippi, especially, like the culture down there can be very old school white man Christian for me, I grew up Catholics. It was a lot of just like strict standards. So I completely as I was hearing your story, I know you reached out to me. I definitely resonate in many aspects when it comes to that. But for you, I know you mentioned in your latest answer, like one of your books, you really had to open up and be able to let go because I know you mentioned you had a lot of insecurities growing up and stuff. And my next question, just building off of that, like how are you able to overcome your own insecurities growing up in Mississippi, obviously, and being able to open up and really take that next step to help grow within yourself? That’s a great question. And it really my insecurities. I was raised Catholic, too. And so a lot of my insecurities growing up were just not feeling like a fit in to that view of God and just being really uncomfortable, but not sure what to do about it because I wasn’t exposed to anything different. I mean, the other alternative was to go to a Baptist Church. And while that was very different, the mindset was similar in a way. And so there wasn’t an outlet outside of Christianity for me to even explore, to even know that there was something more. And so I didn’t come out of the closet until my senior year in College. And I was a two sport athlete at Mississippi State. And it was a very traumatic experience where my spiritual community was basically just completely judged me and pushed me out. And then I had a hard time with my family. And so that was really the defining moment for me where it was like, okay, I don’t fit into any of the boxes here. First of all, I’m not straight. 1s This Christian thing isn’t working for me because everyone’s telling me I’m going to hell and I’m not worthy, that I’m less than. And so there was all of these messages that pushed me out of Mississippi. And I ended up leaving for a long time so that I could find some source of self worth through understanding what I believed and also finding a way to be okay with who I am as a gay woman. And so it took that length of time of being gone before deciding to come back and come back to Mississippi 1s and have been back here for twelve years. So a lot of my own insecurities and self worth were giving myself some space. 1s To identify what those were and like, wrap my head around like, okay, who am I? And then coming back here and actually putting those ideals and beliefs into action, which 1s has been a really hard journey because it meant being very open about who I am because I didn’t want to hide behind closed doors anymore. And so simple things like this is my wife or this is my partner. We’re hard to say. And so like those little winds constantly and just constantly exposing myself and sharing my story throughout the years in the media, on stages, in the news and in conversations with Catholic priests and Baptist ministers and just there have been so many things that have happened over the last twelve years that have helped me kind of get to this place where I feel like, okay, this is who I am. I’m okay. And I feel like a whole person now. And I’m grateful for my life every single day. But it took all those little baby steps over the years of just constantly letting myself be seen and showing up and then tell people all the time, it’s hard. Every time I do it, it’s still hard. But over the course of time they got easier. And that’s what built my confidence and helped me get out of my insecurities. And that’s why I’m so passionate about storytelling because without sharing my story, I would not be where I am today. 2s Yeah, definitely, Megan. And I want to say again, firstly, like, just power to you for recognizing within yourself. Like, hey, I need to take a step back, and I really need to find myself in this society, because I can only imagine you grow up and you’re taught certain things. You’re taught a certain way, and you’re not resonating to what you’re being taught. There’s something inside of you, like you’re not really like your whole self. Yeah. So power to you for taking those steps to take on something new, find yourself in this society. And then I can only imagine coming back to Mississippi after you took time to really find yourself. I can only imagine how hard that must have been for you to go back into the same community that once disowned you. Pretty much. 1s I can only imagine how hard that must have been on you. So I wanted to just really just give you a shout out for that as well, because I know a lot of people in society. 1s We’re born, we’re raised in a certain culture or environment that might not resonate to us. And it’s important for us to recognize that and to take the step and to move on from that. So that way we can really be our real self. Yes. And find out who that is. I don’t think it would have been possible for me to really identify those things if I had not gotten outside of the pressure, the constant pressure of a certain way of thinking. So it was absolutely key to moving forward for me. I mean, I’m glad I came back. I didn’t want to come back initially. It was one of those things, like, I felt called to come back because I didn’t know. But there was so much more healing for me to do and so much more work for me to do in myself and in my relationships with my family members 2s in Mississippi. And there was just so much ahead that was calling me forward. And I didn’t want to do it, but I was like, I have to do it. It’s one of those moments, you know, you have to do it. You’re not quite sure why. You know, you don’t want to, but you know, you have to. 3s Yeah, definitely. Megan and I did listen to one of your talks, like, over the past couple of weeks, and I know you mentioned something about how like it’s all like it all comes full circle. You start off in the community where they were like a lot of, like, disownment and stuff. You really feel like yourself. You took time, you found yourself, and then you had, like you said, like that spiritual calling to come back, to come back, and it kind of comes like all full circle. That leads me right to my next question. I know you mentioned a lot about effective storytelling for you. How does someone become really like an effective storyteller based off of your experience? Well, for me, I really focus on personal narrative. So when I’m working with 1s a professional speaker or if I’m going to be speaking, I focus on a personal story for that person. So telling other stories about other people can be effective. Don’t get me wrong on that, but I think the most effective form of change is telling personal stories because it’s healing for the speaker and it’s healing for the people who are listening. And for me, the most important piece of a good story is that vulnerability aspect, that authenticity aspect. That point of reference gets hit because without it, I feel like we’re missing that emotional connection with each other that actually transforms the way we see each other. So to me, if you’re missing that piece, then you’re missing the whole point of connection. So that’s what I preach, and that’s what I teach people, is how to tell a story effectively, using vulnerability as a tool to not only connect yourself, but to connect to the people you’re telling the story to. 3s Yeah, definitely. Megan and I definitely agree. Like, that vulnerability aspect again, like we mentioned a little bit before, like, it really brings us all together. Like, we’re all human. We all have like a human. We all have a story to tell. Like, we all have, like, moments in our lives. We have experienced events. Like anxiety is so common. It’s in all of us. Absolutely. Some people recognize, some people don’t. So I think it’s important for us to recognize moments where we are feeling that way. Yeah. But just like continuing our conversation so far, I really just wanted to appreciate you obviously sharing your story, like, your journey a little bit. And this leads me right to my next question. So when it comes to advice, let’s say someone is struggling with opening themselves or struggling to really find themselves, 1s what’s the advice that you would give to them to really just help them open up and find themselves? That’s a really good question. 1s The one thing that I did and I can only speak to my experience. 1s I know there are millions of other ways to do this, but for me, what I did was I was constantly journaling and I was constantly letting myself express myself in that way. And that allowed me to kind of see what was inside of me and what was I feeling and what was I thinking. And that was the one tool that has been consistent for me over the course of all the years that has allowed me to really just dig into what I’m actually feeling. And also, I have a really amazing wife who surrounding yourself with people who support you and see you and aren’t going to judge you and let you just feel your feelings. If I’m going through something and I need to cry, I can cry in front of her. And it’s really important to have someone to do that with, even if it’s a counselor to someone you trust so that you can open yourself up and see what’s really going on. Because I think if you’re not experiencing whatever emotions you’re having, the true emotions of what they are, it’s hard to really see clearly on what you’re dealing with. So those are the two things that have been super helpful for me. But like I said, some people like to exercise, to kind of get a sense of feeling what’s going on inside. Some people like to meditate, some kind of pause of some kind where you can just sit there and let it bubble up. And we often avoid that with busyness and social media and all of that kind of stuff. But 1s taking that moment to pause, no matter the tool you’re using is. 2s I feel like the only way to do it. 1s Yeah, I completely agree. I completely agree, Megan, as well, like taking, finding those things, you know, that can really help us ground ourselves and, like, stay in, like, the present moment and really assess how are we really feeling today, like what’s going on in our body. Like you mentioned, I just wanted to add the term like grounding. I hear that a lot when it comes to because I’ve interviewed some people with meditation 1s because I’m currently in grad school. So, like, a lot of my classes, they talked a lot about this term of just grounding yourself because as you’re experiencing work, as you’re traveling, as you’re raising a family, whatever you’re doing, there’s so many things that really just go on throughout the day that we’re processing. So taking moments to really just ground ourselves and to really just help us just hit that reset button. So that way we’re able to recharge our batteries inside and we’re able to help others and continue to do what we do. So I think that was a really spot on answer. Well, what do you do? I’m just curious. What do you do when you need a car? Oh, yeah. For me, 1s I mix it up. So sometimes I’ll run because I like to connect with nature. So I’ll run outside and I like to run, especially, like in local parks. I like to choose, like, a different park each time where I run and then after, I like to Journal as well. Okay. Yeah. I found journaling to be really helpful for me 1s because it’s all in how we experience our lifetime, what we experience. And for me, similar to you, like, when I’m writing stuff down, I’m able to express my inner feelings, like how I really feel because there’s been times where I have wanted to speak my mind, but I kept it inside because of resentment or all that stuff too stuff down. It really helped me just get it out. So that way I’m not suppressing my emotions and then taking it out on other people that don’t deserve that. It’s easy to do. 2s Yeah. 1s Thank you. I appreciate that as well. And like I said, this conversation has been really great so far, very free flowing and just transition a little bit. I know you mentioned that you are in very good relationship now. I know you also mentioned that, like, you were in a relationship in the past that was a little bit questionable and stuff. Relationships obviously a big part of our lives. You know, we feed off of the people that we surround ourselves with. We’re all energy. We feed off each other’s energy. What qualities do you really look for in, like, a friendship or even like a romantic partner? 2s Trust is definitely at the top for me. It’s like I completely 1 million% do not 1s question my wife. I know she trusts me and I trust her. And that’s it. It is the foundation of what we’ve been together 14 years, and it is the foundation of what has kept us as strong as we are today. Not to say that we haven’t gone through hard times, we have. But that foundation of trust allows us to reflect back that there may be some more inner work that we need to do when we have an issue come up or whatever it may be. So that’s number one. 2s Let’s see. The other one is like when it comes to friendships, I would say, or any 1s relationship, even if it were my wife or past relationship or whatever. I think the one thing that I would was missing before I met my wife was just like I was giving more than I was being given to. And in the same way in friendships that I’m not going to overdo if I’m not being met halfway, 5s there’s something that goes off in me when I feel like it’s not an equal partnership, relationship, friendship, where I take a step back and or communicate to the other person, like, this isn’t working for me, you know, what’s going on or, you know, then have that tough conversation. So those are two important ones. Is the trust and then 1s am I putting in more or is it an equal, you know, energy exchange? I guess I should say I think those are the two most important to me. And well, obviously communication, but I think communication is embedded in the second one. 2s Yeah, I completely agree. Again, especially like when it comes to trust. Like if you’re not trust, if you don’t have trust in your relationship, your relationship is not going to work because instead of you, you’re not going to be able to really focus on what you need to do because you’re so focused on your other partner and what they’re doing and all that stuff, too, because that trust is not there. So I think trust is definitely an important one, and even the second one, too, when it comes to are you putting out the same energy you’re receiving? Because a relationship should be both partners are both taking moments where they’re giving and they’re also taking moments where their partner needs them. Again, we’re in a relationship, we need to be able to work together and grow together. So I completely agree and resonate with both of your qualities when it comes to that, because I think it’s important a lot of people. I think realizing when there is not trust in a relationship is something that can be very hard because especially you’re with someone, you have a lot of feelings that are inside you’re experiencing with this person. And then all of a sudden there’s moments where you’re worried about what they’re doing or worried about doing this and worried about doing that. And I think identifying that is something that I know in my relationships in the past, I’ve had trouble identifying that. 2s Like you said, just the trust aspect is huge. Well, and a big part of that trust is being able to express yourself and knowing that it will be received. And if you can’t say anything that’s on your heart in a relationship, then it may not be the right person because you should be able to say whatever’s on your heart and be accepted and loved for it, and they should be able to do the same. It’s like if my wife is annoying one day and she’s getting on my nerves, like, hey, you’re getting on my nerves. I’m going to go take some space. You should be able to say that and that be okay. There should be a level of acceptance and trust. She knows I love her dearly and it’s nothing about her. It just means I need some space and I need some time away. And there’s so much power. And being able to just express and you don’t have to be mean. 1s You can just say it with absolute like, hey, you’re just really bothering me right now. And I know that means I need some space and just that freedom to express yourself and be open and honest. It’s so important. If you keep holding things in, then that’s where you get into trouble. 2s Yes, I completely agree. It’s like I like to view it as like it’s like a snowball effect. Like, the more stuff you keep inside, the snowball gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and eventually it crashes and somebody is going to get hurt at some point. Oh, I know, definitely. 2s But yeah. So Megan, just continuing our relationship question, this question I always ask my guests that, come on, this it’s a little less serious question. 1s The question pretty much is like, do you have any turn off on the first date where you would not have a second date? So let’s say you’re on a date with somebody and they do this and you wouldn’t have a second date. As you think about it, for me, I always like to share this to my guests. I used to have a little test because music for me is very like it’s like my love language pretty much. If I can connect through music, definitely, you can see a more open up with me. And so something about the music, I don’t know what it is, but that was like my little test. I would hand the people I’m on a date with the aux score. I wouldn’t say anything. I just like, here’s the aux cord. And depending on what they play, was my little test. Was it a little toxic? Probably. 2s But for you, Megan, when it comes to turn offs and stuff, do you have any test or anything like that? 1s I haven’t dated in 14 years, so I’m a little far removed from that. But I can imagine 1s when I’m meeting new people for friendships or whatever. I mean, that’s really the gauge I have to go off right now would be like, are they only focusing on me in my story or are they sharing themselves, too? Is there an exchange of communication where we’re both being open? And to me, that’s what resonates the most. And if they’re not wanting to be open with me at all about after, I’ve been very open and 1s it’s not a fulfilling thing for me. It’s like I want that exchange of like, I want to give and I want you to give. And so it’s a little bit harder for me to want to build a friendship with someone if they’re so closed off that they don’t want to share a little bit of their life with me. I really like to engage in meaningful relationships. 2s Yeah. And I completely agree with that as well. When you are having conversations with people, especially unlike the first couple of instances where you’re meeting them, like, are you guys vibing? Well, you know, like, is the person being able to open up with themselves? And also, like, are you doing that the same? And is there, like this equal, like, you mentioned energy exchange between the two. So I think it’s important at the end of the day when you do meet new people and you are meeting new people 1s to really recognize that, are they comfortable with opening up to you as well? Because if they’re not closed off, that can be definitely hard to really connect with that person. Yeah. And it just depends on what you’re looking for. If I was looking for someone to go play basketball with me or do sports stuff with me, I may not care as much. If I just want an activities based friendship, I’m cool with that. But if I’m really looking for, like a friend, there’s going to be different qualities that I’m looking for. I don’t have to have a deep, meaningful relationship with everyone that’s in my life. But I do want to have someone of those because they’re super important for change and growth and being pushed and all that kind of stuff. But I’m cool having people in my life that that’s not the case. And we can go and do stuff together and hang out and. 3s Anyway. 1s Yeah, definitely, Megan. And I will say, like, again, this is definitely something to really look for and it’s really good to have when you first are like meeting new people and stuff, but just transitioning a little bit. I know we talk talked a lot about relationships and your journey, and I’ve really appreciated our conversation so far. It’s been great and I’ve really enjoyed it when it comes to astrology. I know you mentioned before we recorded, like, that your relationship with astrology is a pretty solid one, but that’s like my first question to you is like, how do you feel about astrology overall and what’s your overall relationship with it? I would say it’s a very surface relationship. I’m knowledgeable enough, but not knowledgeable enough to know what I’m talking about. Like, you can talk to me about things and I’ll probably understand, like, I was telling you earlier that when our daughter was born, we had her chart read and with an astrologist who gave us this hour and a half long session of telling us about our daughter. And she was so spot on. And so I’m completely open and 1 million% believe in astrology and it’s power. It’s just not something I’ve ever been passionate enough to dive into myself more. But I completely fascinated. So. 2s So like, when it comes to your chart, I know I mentioned a little bit about how your sun sign and your Mercury sign are in the same house, and that makes sense when it comes to your chart because you are a Libra son and then your Mercury is Libra. So Mercury’s line of communication, and obviously your sun sign is who you are to your core. So being a library, the library is like the balance scale. So that’s like what the sign looks like and all that stuff. So I can picture finding that balance and everything when it comes to relationships and all that stuff. I know we just talked about like relationships and having that equal energy, 2s it makes sense how the Libra qualities are coming out of you when you are describing communication aspect and relationships and all that stuff. 1s But when it comes to astrology, overall, I know you’ve had your chart read as well. Has there ever been like an eye popping moment or as you were getting your chart read that really stood out to you or anything like that? No, I’ve always just been very aware that balances and communication are very important to me. And so that’s been helpful because it helps me realize that’s who I am, this is how I made this is important to me and it’s okay that it’s important to me. So I think more than anything, I think things like this just help you really feel validated and it helps you accept who you are more. So such a valuable tool for anyone to feel validated and feel like, okay, this is who I am. I’m okay. 2s Those things are important to me and I can keep paying attention to that. 2s Yeah, definitely. And I always like to add just to add to your point, like astrology, I always like to view it as like another tool in the toolbox to really help understand ourselves. Like you said, as you’re hearing like your chart getting red and as you’re learning more, like it’s starting to value would date like, hey, I have had moments where I felt this way or I need to feel this way. I completely agree. But before we wrap up though, the last thing I always like to add my guest on, the reason why I asked for all my guests chart is just because there’s this website called the Horoscope Co. It’s a good little website where if you’re curious to know a little bit about on a basic level about your chart, I’m a bunch of people. They teamed up and they do little readings based off of just your sun and moon, your son and moon sign. So your sun sign, obviously who you are to your core, your moon sign is how you process things emotionally. 1s But for you, Megan, as I give your little reading, just let me know how you feel about it. So for you, Megan, you are a Libra Sun Virgo moon and it says a creative personality. Idealistic but logical, these people are capable of producing real change in the world. Positives for your Libra Sun Virgo moon combination expressive, gentle and dynamic negatives can be a little bit manipulative at times and can have a little bit of like a victimization perfect partner, someone who will help them move past difficult life situations. And word of advice, it’s essential for them to try and relax more. So as I give your positives, negatives, perfect partner and advice, what are some thoughts that come to mind? Let’s go back to the first one. Let’s start with each one and go one by one because I can’t retain information, 1s get something. So it was the first one? Yeah. So for positives it was like expressive, gentle and dynamic. Yeah, I would say very expressive. Like I need to communicate what I’m feeling and thinking dynamic. I can fit into any situation and be okay. Like I am an introvert, but I can be a chameleon. And the other one was what was the other one. 1s So the third one was gentle. Yes. I would say most people, 2s when they’re talking about me, that’s the word they use is calm and gentle. 2s So those are right on. All right. So the weaknesses were manipulative 2s and it can be a little bit victimizing at times. Yeah, I could see that, especially based on 2s how I was raised, too. 3s My grandmother had a very victimy way of seeing the world, and so I’ve worked really hard to not do that. And realizing that I’m completely in charge of my life. 3s And the manipulative part, I don’t really know that would have to take someone who knows me better. I don’t know idea. I’ve never been called manipulative, but I’m a good negotiator, so I can use those skills for sure. I’m a businesswoman, so maybe that’s where I use those. I don’t know. Yes, that’s probably where because you got to do business. It’s all good, though. Again. And another point I like to add to is, like, as you grow older, obviously with astrology, parts of your chart change, 1s there’s like two completely other different charts. But for this podcast, I like to just stay on just like the basic level. No, that’s great. 2s Some qualities you might resonate more now, but some qualities you’re like. I don’t really see this now, but as you grow older, as you experience more things, as you obviously grow in this society, 1s certain aspects of your chart change. Yeah, for sure. No doubt. And so the perfect partner was the next one. And that was someone that 1s I can feel like I can go through the hard challenges and push me to grow and all. Yeah, absolutely. That explains my wife. Exactly. I was in such a bad place when I met her, and it’s it’s almost like she grabbed me out of the hole I was in and pulled me forward into the life I wanted. So she is absolutely that’s. Perfect. And then the last one is like advice. So like advice for your sun and moon combination. It says it’s essential for them to try and relax more. Oh, yeah, definitely. I’m a go getter. I’m like, you know, I am much better when I’m pausing and taking a break and allowing myself to actually go into my creative space and relax. So I completely agree with that. Yeah, definitely. And again, Megan, once we are done with our recording and stuff, I can send you that link as well because it gives like a more in depth reading. But just from a little gloss and summary, that’s pretty much what it was. Yeah, that’s cool for reading and stuff. But Megan, I will say I’ve really enjoyed our podcast. It’s been a really great conversation. Where can everybody best check your work at? Everything pretty much lives on my website@meganoann.com meaganonan.com. You can find pretty much anything you want to know there. So it’s got links to all my social and my books and some speaking engagements and my work and all that stuff. I’ve got a blog on there that I post maybe once a month. 2s Except right now I’m not posting anything because I’m writing a book. So don’t expect anything soon. 2s Yes, I got you, Megan. And the link that you just said will be in the show description so you guys can check out all of Megan’s work and listen to some of for talks and all that fun stuff. But Megan, I’ve really enjoyed our conversation. Thank you. And please stay safe. Yeah, thank you. Thanks for having me. 2s Bye.
Hey, everybody, and welcome to your spiritual best friend. I am your host, Josh Sanchez, and I’m here with a very special guest, Megan. Megan, what’s going on and what are you doing today? Thanks for having me. Well, I just filled out a NATO chart report for you, and I’m really interested to see where that’s going to take us. So, yeah, just excited to have a conversation today. 1s Of course. And I will say again, Megan, thank you for being patient and filling out the Natal charts and stuff for our podcast listeners. I always have my guests fill out their Natal charts. That way we can discuss astrology a little bit at the end. But the website is Cafe Astrology, so if you guys are ever interested to learn more about your chart and stuff, it’s all fun and it’s free, so it’s perfect. I just want to give a little shout out before we really get into it. But Megan, I wanted to say again, thank you for coming on, reaching out, wanting to be on this podcast and pretty much when it comes to this podcast overall, I really like to start to guess with just a simple question. So when it comes to work and passions and stuff like that, what do you like to do for work and what are you really passionate about? Oh, that’s a great question. It’s a good way to get to know someone, too. 2s I’ve been a writer and speaker and coach for 14 years now. I’m. 1s In the middle of finishing up my third book and kind of deep in the revision process. So I’m really passionate about writing, and I’m also a speech coach, so I work with professional speakers and write scripts, get them ready for the stage, do all the aspects of speaker coaching, and then also do keynote speaking of my own. So my books and my speaking are kind of the same message around the message of the power of vulnerable storytelling and how that plays such an important role in connecting with others. So those are storytelling, vulnerable storytelling, writing, speaking, those are my passions. They’re my profession. It’s what I do each and every day, and I feel very fortunate to get to do each one of those 2s well, Megan, I will say 1s I really like what you’re doing. It’s definitely great and it definitely can be powerful. I know you mentioned a lot about vulnerable speaking and stuff and being able to share and open up your own story and how that’s able to connect others and bring others together. I definitely think that’s a really good and I think more people need to do that because we’re human at the end of the day and we’re able to connect with each other if we’re able to open up each other. And that just leads me right to my next question. So I know you mentioned like, you’ve written a couple of books. You’re on your third book. Now tell me the thought process, because I know each book. 1s Has, like, a vision or has, like, a story behind it. So if you can tell me, like, what really goes through your head when you are writing the books, like between the first, second and third one. Oh, gosh. Well, the first one was in 2008, and it was called Creating Your Heaven on Earth. And I was actually in a really bad relationship when I wrote that book. So I feel like it was like my calling out to God, the universe, whatever you want to call it. I wanted happiness so bad that I was writing about what I wanted. And eventually it got me out of that relationship. So that was really more of a deep belief in what I knew was true and like a calling out and trying to call it into my life. So that was the first one. The next one was called Courage. Agreeing to disagree is not enough. And I think that might be more applicable now with the time we’re in. But at the time, it was around when LGBTQ marriage rights, gay marriage rights, that was the hot topic, the discussion. It was the year that I got married, and I was just really tired of the 1s back and forth, the debating the you’re right, I’m wrong, you’re wrong, I’m right, whatever. I was really sick of that back and forth. And so that was more of a calling out, too. Like, I don’t want to be in this space. This is who I want to be. And so I wrote it from this place of not only sharing my story and telling my story of coming out in Mississippi, but also as an invitation to others. Like, hey, we can have a conversation and not argue about the things that we might disagree on, but we can get to know each other still as human beings. And so that was a calling out as well. So this one, the one I’m writing now is called Held and Free, and it’s a memoir, and it’s really based around the power storage sell, Helen, like I was talking about earlier. And so for me, this is just an opportunity to share every single part of my story up until now and how I’ve evolved from this very insecure person in the world who wanted wholeness and happiness and all of the things it took to get to a place where I feel like I have a really strong foundation as a human being now. And so this is more or less kind of a letting go. For me, this book is just an opportunity to write it all down and own it and just keep moving forward. So each has had its own special moment for me, and it’s interesting. They’ve all been written. It seems like I write a book every seven years. So. 4s That’s really cool, Megan. And I will say because I always like to ask that question, especially with writers, because there’s definitely like a vision. There’s something that’s like inspiring you to write down these thoughts and write down like stories so that way people can read it and learn something new. And I can only imagine for you growing up in Mississippi, especially, like the culture down there can be very old school white man Christian for me, I grew up Catholics. It was a lot of just like strict standards. So I completely as I was hearing your story, I know you reached out to me. I definitely resonate in many aspects when it comes to that. But for you, I know you mentioned in your latest answer, like one of your books, you really had to open up and be able to let go because I know you mentioned you had a lot of insecurities growing up and stuff. And my next question, just building off of that, like how are you able to overcome your own insecurities growing up in Mississippi, obviously, and being able to open up and really take that next step to help grow within yourself? That’s a great question. And it really my insecurities. I was raised Catholic, too. And so a lot of my insecurities growing up were just not feeling like a fit in to that view of God and just being really uncomfortable, but not sure what to do about it because I wasn’t exposed to anything different. I mean, the other alternative was to go to a Baptist Church. And while that was very different, the mindset was similar in a way. And so there wasn’t an outlet outside of Christianity for me to even explore, to even know that there was something more. And so I didn’t come out of the closet until my senior year in College. And I was a two sport athlete at Mississippi State. And it was a very traumatic experience where my spiritual community was basically just completely judged me and pushed me out. And then I had a hard time with my family. And so that was really the defining moment for me where it was like, okay, I don’t fit into any of the boxes here. First of all, I’m not straight. 1s This Christian thing isn’t working for me because everyone’s telling me I’m going to hell and I’m not worthy, that I’m less than. And so there was all of these messages that pushed me out of Mississippi. And I ended up leaving for a long time so that I could find some source of self worth through understanding what I believed and also finding a way to be okay with who I am as a gay woman. And so it took that length of time of being gone before deciding to come back and come back to Mississippi 1s and have been back here for twelve years. So a lot of my own insecurities and self worth were giving myself some space. 1s To identify what those were and like, wrap my head around like, okay, who am I? And then coming back here and actually putting those ideals and beliefs into action, which 1s has been a really hard journey because it meant being very open about who I am because I didn’t want to hide behind closed doors anymore. And so simple things like this is my wife or this is my partner. We’re hard to say. And so like those little winds constantly and just constantly exposing myself and sharing my story throughout the years in the media, on stages, in the news and in conversations with Catholic priests and Baptist ministers and just there have been so many things that have happened over the last twelve years that have helped me kind of get to this place where I feel like, okay, this is who I am. I’m okay. And I feel like a whole person now. And I’m grateful for my life every single day. But it took all those little baby steps over the years of just constantly letting myself be seen and showing up and then tell people all the time, it’s hard. Every time I do it, it’s still hard. But over the course of time they got easier. And that’s what built my confidence and helped me get out of my insecurities. And that’s why I’m so passionate about storytelling because without sharing my story, I would not be where I am today. 2s Yeah, definitely, Megan. And I want to say again, firstly, like, just power to you for recognizing within yourself. Like, hey, I need to take a step back, and I really need to find myself in this society, because I can only imagine you grow up and you’re taught certain things. You’re taught a certain way, and you’re not resonating to what you’re being taught. There’s something inside of you, like you’re not really like your whole self. Yeah. So power to you for taking those steps to take on something new, find yourself in this society. And then I can only imagine coming back to Mississippi after you took time to really find yourself. I can only imagine how hard that must have been for you to go back into the same community that once disowned you. Pretty much. 1s I can only imagine how hard that must have been on you. So I wanted to just really just give you a shout out for that as well, because I know a lot of people in society. 1s We’re born, we’re raised in a certain culture or environment that might not resonate to us. And it’s important for us to recognize that and to take the step and to move on from that. So that way we can really be our real self. Yes. And find out who that is. I don’t think it would have been possible for me to really identify those things if I had not gotten outside of the pressure, the constant pressure of a certain way of thinking. So it was absolutely key to moving forward for me. I mean, I’m glad I came back. I didn’t want to come back initially. It was one of those things, like, I felt called to come back because I didn’t know. But there was so much more healing for me to do and so much more work for me to do in myself and in my relationships with my family members 2s in Mississippi. And there was just so much ahead that was calling me forward. And I didn’t want to do it, but I was like, I have to do it. It’s one of those moments, you know, you have to do it. You’re not quite sure why. You know, you don’t want to, but you know, you have to. 3s Yeah, definitely. Megan and I did listen to one of your talks, like, over the past couple of weeks, and I know you mentioned something about how like it’s all like it all comes full circle. You start off in the community where they were like a lot of, like, disownment and stuff. You really feel like yourself. You took time, you found yourself, and then you had, like you said, like that spiritual calling to come back, to come back, and it kind of comes like all full circle. That leads me right to my next question. I know you mentioned a lot about effective storytelling for you. How does someone become really like an effective storyteller based off of your experience? Well, for me, I really focus on personal narrative. So when I’m working with 1s a professional speaker or if I’m going to be speaking, I focus on a personal story for that person. So telling other stories about other people can be effective. Don’t get me wrong on that, but I think the most effective form of change is telling personal stories because it’s healing for the speaker and it’s healing for the people who are listening. And for me, the most important piece of a good story is that vulnerability aspect, that authenticity aspect. That point of reference gets hit because without it, I feel like we’re missing that emotional connection with each other that actually transforms the way we see each other. So to me, if you’re missing that piece, then you’re missing the whole point of connection. So that’s what I preach, and that’s what I teach people, is how to tell a story effectively, using vulnerability as a tool to not only connect yourself, but to connect to the people you’re telling the story to. 3s Yeah, definitely. Megan and I definitely agree. Like, that vulnerability aspect again, like we mentioned a little bit before, like, it really brings us all together. Like, we’re all human. We all have like a human. We all have a story to tell. Like, we all have, like, moments in our lives. We have experienced events. Like anxiety is so common. It’s in all of us. Absolutely. Some people recognize, some people don’t. So I think it’s important for us to recognize moments where we are feeling that way. Yeah. But just like continuing our conversation so far, I really just wanted to appreciate you obviously sharing your story, like, your journey a little bit. And this leads me right to my next question. So when it comes to advice, let’s say someone is struggling with opening themselves or struggling to really find themselves, 1s what’s the advice that you would give to them to really just help them open up and find themselves? That’s a really good question. 1s The one thing that I did and I can only speak to my experience. 1s I know there are millions of other ways to do this, but for me, what I did was I was constantly journaling and I was constantly letting myself express myself in that way. And that allowed me to kind of see what was inside of me and what was I feeling and what was I thinking. And that was the one tool that has been consistent for me over the course of all the years that has allowed me to really just dig into what I’m actually feeling. And also, I have a really amazing wife who surrounding yourself with people who support you and see you and aren’t going to judge you and let you just feel your feelings. If I’m going through something and I need to cry, I can cry in front of her. And it’s really important to have someone to do that with, even if it’s a counselor to someone you trust so that you can open yourself up and see what’s really going on. Because I think if you’re not experiencing whatever emotions you’re having, the true emotions of what they are, it’s hard to really see clearly on what you’re dealing with. So those are the two things that have been super helpful for me. But like I said, some people like to exercise, to kind of get a sense of feeling what’s going on inside. Some people like to meditate, some kind of pause of some kind where you can just sit there and let it bubble up. And we often avoid that with busyness and social media and all of that kind of stuff. But 1s taking that moment to pause, no matter the tool you’re using is. 2s I feel like the only way to do it. 1s Yeah, I completely agree. I completely agree, Megan, as well, like taking, finding those things, you know, that can really help us ground ourselves and, like, stay in, like, the present moment and really assess how are we really feeling today, like what’s going on in our body. Like you mentioned, I just wanted to add the term like grounding. I hear that a lot when it comes to because I’ve interviewed some people with meditation 1s because I’m currently in grad school. So, like, a lot of my classes, they talked a lot about this term of just grounding yourself because as you’re experiencing work, as you’re traveling, as you’re raising a family, whatever you’re doing, there’s so many things that really just go on throughout the day that we’re processing. So taking moments to really just ground ourselves and to really just help us just hit that reset button. So that way we’re able to recharge our batteries inside and we’re able to help others and continue to do what we do. So I think that was a really spot on answer. Well, what do you do? I’m just curious. What do you do when you need a car? Oh, yeah. For me, 1s I mix it up. So sometimes I’ll run because I like to connect with nature. So I’ll run outside and I like to run, especially, like in local parks. I like to choose, like, a different park each time where I run and then after, I like to Journal as well. Okay. Yeah. I found journaling to be really helpful for me 1s because it’s all in how we experience our lifetime, what we experience. And for me, similar to you, like, when I’m writing stuff down, I’m able to express my inner feelings, like how I really feel because there’s been times where I have wanted to speak my mind, but I kept it inside because of resentment or all that stuff too stuff down. It really helped me just get it out. So that way I’m not suppressing my emotions and then taking it out on other people that don’t deserve that. It’s easy to do. 2s Yeah. 1s Thank you. I appreciate that as well. And like I said, this conversation has been really great so far, very free flowing and just transition a little bit. I know you mentioned that you are in very good relationship now. I know you also mentioned that, like, you were in a relationship in the past that was a little bit questionable and stuff. Relationships obviously a big part of our lives. You know, we feed off of the people that we surround ourselves with. We’re all energy. We feed off each other’s energy. What qualities do you really look for in, like, a friendship or even like a romantic partner? 2s Trust is definitely at the top for me. It’s like I completely 1 million% do not 1s question my wife. I know she trusts me and I trust her. And that’s it. It is the foundation of what we’ve been together 14 years, and it is the foundation of what has kept us as strong as we are today. Not to say that we haven’t gone through hard times, we have. But that foundation of trust allows us to reflect back that there may be some more inner work that we need to do when we have an issue come up or whatever it may be. So that’s number one. 2s Let’s see. The other one is like when it comes to friendships, I would say, or any 1s relationship, even if it were my wife or past relationship or whatever. I think the one thing that I would was missing before I met my wife was just like I was giving more than I was being given to. And in the same way in friendships that I’m not going to overdo if I’m not being met halfway, 5s there’s something that goes off in me when I feel like it’s not an equal partnership, relationship, friendship, where I take a step back and or communicate to the other person, like, this isn’t working for me, you know, what’s going on or, you know, then have that tough conversation. So those are two important ones. Is the trust and then 1s am I putting in more or is it an equal, you know, energy exchange? I guess I should say I think those are the two most important to me. And well, obviously communication, but I think communication is embedded in the second one. 2s Yeah, I completely agree. Again, especially like when it comes to trust. Like if you’re not trust, if you don’t have trust in your relationship, your relationship is not going to work because instead of you, you’re not going to be able to really focus on what you need to do because you’re so focused on your other partner and what they’re doing and all that stuff, too, because that trust is not there. So I think trust is definitely an important one, and even the second one, too, when it comes to are you putting out the same energy you’re receiving? Because a relationship should be both partners are both taking moments where they’re giving and they’re also taking moments where their partner needs them. Again, we’re in a relationship, we need to be able to work together and grow together. So I completely agree and resonate with both of your qualities when it comes to that, because I think it’s important a lot of people. I think realizing when there is not trust in a relationship is something that can be very hard because especially you’re with someone, you have a lot of feelings that are inside you’re experiencing with this person. And then all of a sudden there’s moments where you’re worried about what they’re doing or worried about doing this and worried about doing that. And I think identifying that is something that I know in my relationships in the past, I’ve had trouble identifying that. 2s Like you said, just the trust aspect is huge. Well, and a big part of that trust is being able to express yourself and knowing that it will be received. And if you can’t say anything that’s on your heart in a relationship, then it may not be the right person because you should be able to say whatever’s on your heart and be accepted and loved for it, and they should be able to do the same. It’s like if my wife is annoying one day and she’s getting on my nerves, like, hey, you’re getting on my nerves. I’m going to go take some space. You should be able to say that and that be okay. There should be a level of acceptance and trust. She knows I love her dearly and it’s nothing about her. It just means I need some space and I need some time away. And there’s so much power. And being able to just express and you don’t have to be mean. 1s You can just say it with absolute like, hey, you’re just really bothering me right now. And I know that means I need some space and just that freedom to express yourself and be open and honest. It’s so important. If you keep holding things in, then that’s where you get into trouble. 2s Yes, I completely agree. It’s like I like to view it as like it’s like a snowball effect. Like, the more stuff you keep inside, the snowball gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and eventually it crashes and somebody is going to get hurt at some point. Oh, I know, definitely. 2s But yeah. So Megan, just continuing our relationship question, this question I always ask my guests that, come on, this it’s a little less serious question. 1s The question pretty much is like, do you have any turn off on the first date where you would not have a second date? So let’s say you’re on a date with somebody and they do this and you wouldn’t have a second date. As you think about it, for me, I always like to share this to my guests. I used to have a little test because music for me is very like it’s like my love language pretty much. If I can connect through music, definitely, you can see a more open up with me. And so something about the music, I don’t know what it is, but that was like my little test. I would hand the people I’m on a date with the aux score. I wouldn’t say anything. I just like, here’s the aux cord. And depending on what they play, was my little test. Was it a little toxic? Probably. 2s But for you, Megan, when it comes to turn offs and stuff, do you have any test or anything like that? 1s I haven’t dated in 14 years, so I’m a little far removed from that. But I can imagine 1s when I’m meeting new people for friendships or whatever. I mean, that’s really the gauge I have to go off right now would be like, are they only focusing on me in my story or are they sharing themselves, too? Is there an exchange of communication where we’re both being open? And to me, that’s what resonates the most. And if they’re not wanting to be open with me at all about after, I’ve been very open and 1s it’s not a fulfilling thing for me. It’s like I want that exchange of like, I want to give and I want you to give. And so it’s a little bit harder for me to want to build a friendship with someone if they’re so closed off that they don’t want to share a little bit of their life with me. I really like to engage in meaningful relationships. 2s Yeah. And I completely agree with that as well. When you are having conversations with people, especially unlike the first couple of instances where you’re meeting them, like, are you guys vibing? Well, you know, like, is the person being able to open up with themselves? And also, like, are you doing that the same? And is there, like this equal, like, you mentioned energy exchange between the two. So I think it’s important at the end of the day when you do meet new people and you are meeting new people 1s to really recognize that, are they comfortable with opening up to you as well? Because if they’re not closed off, that can be definitely hard to really connect with that person. Yeah. And it just depends on what you’re looking for. If I was looking for someone to go play basketball with me or do sports stuff with me, I may not care as much. If I just want an activities based friendship, I’m cool with that. But if I’m really looking for, like a friend, there’s going to be different qualities that I’m looking for. I don’t have to have a deep, meaningful relationship with everyone that’s in my life. But I do want to have someone of those because they’re super important for change and growth and being pushed and all that kind of stuff. But I’m cool having people in my life that that’s not the case. And we can go and do stuff together and hang out and. 3s Anyway. 1s Yeah, definitely, Megan. And I will say, like, again, this is definitely something to really look for and it’s really good to have when you first are like meeting new people and stuff, but just transitioning a little bit. I know we talk talked a lot about relationships and your journey, and I’ve really appreciated our conversation so far. It’s been great and I’ve really enjoyed it when it comes to astrology. I know you mentioned before we recorded, like, that your relationship with astrology is a pretty solid one, but that’s like my first question to you is like, how do you feel about astrology overall and what’s your overall relationship with it? I would say it’s a very surface relationship. I’m knowledgeable enough, but not knowledgeable enough to know what I’m talking about. Like, you can talk to me about things and I’ll probably understand, like, I was telling you earlier that when our daughter was born, we had her chart read and with an astrologist who gave us this hour and a half long session of telling us about our daughter. And she was so spot on. And so I’m completely open and 1 million% believe in astrology and it’s power. It’s just not something I’ve ever been passionate enough to dive into myself more. But I completely fascinated. So. 2s So like, when it comes to your chart, I know I mentioned a little bit about how your sun sign and your Mercury sign are in the same house, and that makes sense when it comes to your chart because you are a Libra son and then your Mercury is Libra. So Mercury’s line of communication, and obviously your sun sign is who you are to your core. So being a library, the library is like the balance scale. So that’s like what the sign looks like and all that stuff. So I can picture finding that balance and everything when it comes to relationships and all that stuff. I know we just talked about like relationships and having that equal energy, 2s it makes sense how the Libra qualities are coming out of you when you are describing communication aspect and relationships and all that stuff. 1s But when it comes to astrology, overall, I know you’ve had your chart read as well. Has there ever been like an eye popping moment or as you were getting your chart read that really stood out to you or anything like that? No, I’ve always just been very aware that balances and communication are very important to me. And so that’s been helpful because it helps me realize that’s who I am, this is how I made this is important to me and it’s okay that it’s important to me. So I think more than anything, I think things like this just help you really feel validated and it helps you accept who you are more. So such a valuable tool for anyone to feel validated and feel like, okay, this is who I am. I’m okay. 2s Those things are important to me and I can keep paying attention to that. 2s Yeah, definitely. And I always like to add just to add to your point, like astrology, I always like to view it as like another tool in the toolbox to really help understand ourselves. Like you said, as you’re hearing like your chart getting red and as you’re learning more, like it’s starting to value would date like, hey, I have had moments where I felt this way or I need to feel this way. I completely agree. But before we wrap up though, the last thing I always like to add my guest on, the reason why I asked for all my guests chart is just because there’s this website called the Horoscope Co. It’s a good little website where if you’re curious to know a little bit about on a basic level about your chart, I’m a bunch of people. They teamed up and they do little readings based off of just your sun and moon, your son and moon sign. So your sun sign, obviously who you are to your core, your moon sign is how you process things emotionally. 1s But for you, Megan, as I give your little reading, just let me know how you feel about it. So for you, Megan, you are a Libra Sun Virgo moon and it says a creative personality. Idealistic but logical, these people are capable of producing real change in the world. Positives for your Libra Sun Virgo moon combination expressive, gentle and dynamic negatives can be a little bit manipulative at times and can have a little bit of like a victimization perfect partner, someone who will help them move past difficult life situations. And word of advice, it’s essential for them to try and relax more. So as I give your positives, negatives, perfect partner and advice, what are some thoughts that come to mind? Let’s go back to the first one. Let’s start with each one and go one by one because I can’t retain information, 1s get something. So it was the first one? Yeah. So for positives it was like expressive, gentle and dynamic. Yeah, I would say very expressive. Like I need to communicate what I’m feeling and thinking dynamic. I can fit into any situation and be okay. Like I am an introvert, but I can be a chameleon. And the other one was what was the other one. 1s So the third one was gentle. Yes. I would say most people, 2s when they’re talking about me, that’s the word they use is calm and gentle. 2s So those are right on. All right. So the weaknesses were manipulative 2s and it can be a little bit victimizing at times. Yeah, I could see that, especially based on 2s how I was raised, too. 3s My grandmother had a very victimy way of seeing the world, and so I’ve worked really hard to not do that. And realizing that I’m completely in charge of my life. 3s And the manipulative part, I don’t really know that would have to take someone who knows me better. I don’t know idea. I’ve never been called manipulative, but I’m a good negotiator, so I can use those skills for sure. I’m a businesswoman, so maybe that’s where I use those. I don’t know. Yes, that’s probably where because you got to do business. It’s all good, though. Again. And another point I like to add to is, like, as you grow older, obviously with astrology, parts of your chart change, 1s there’s like two completely other different charts. But for this podcast, I like to just stay on just like the basic level. No, that’s great. 2s Some qualities you might resonate more now, but some qualities you’re like. I don’t really see this now, but as you grow older, as you experience more things, as you obviously grow in this society, 1s certain aspects of your chart change. Yeah, for sure. No doubt. And so the perfect partner was the next one. And that was someone that 1s I can feel like I can go through the hard challenges and push me to grow and all. Yeah, absolutely. That explains my wife. Exactly. I was in such a bad place when I met her, and it’s it’s almost like she grabbed me out of the hole I was in and pulled me forward into the life I wanted. So she is absolutely that’s. Perfect. And then the last one is like advice. So like advice for your sun and moon combination. It says it’s essential for them to try and relax more. Oh, yeah, definitely. I’m a go getter. I’m like, you know, I am much better when I’m pausing and taking a break and allowing myself to actually go into my creative space and relax. So I completely agree with that. Yeah, definitely. And again, Megan, once we are done with our recording and stuff, I can send you that link as well because it gives like a more in depth reading. But just from a little gloss and summary, that’s pretty much what it was. Yeah, that’s cool for reading and stuff. But Megan, I will say I’ve really enjoyed our podcast. It’s been a really great conversation. Where can everybody best check your work at? Everything pretty much lives on my website@meganoann.com meaganonan.com. You can find pretty much anything you want to know there. So it’s got links to all my social and my books and some speaking engagements and my work and all that stuff. I’ve got a blog on there that I post maybe once a month. 2s Except right now I’m not posting anything because I’m writing a book. So don’t expect anything soon. 2s Yes, I got you, Megan. And the link that you just said will be in the show description so you guys can check out all of Megan’s work and listen to some of for talks and all that fun stuff. But Megan, I’ve really enjoyed our conversation. Thank you. And please stay safe. Yeah, thank you. Thanks for having me. 2s Bye.
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